Ever found yourself puzzled by the simple "hello" and where it might lead? Well, Noah's back and we're unraveling the tapestry of return greetings, from cultural nods to the Zettelkasten method's influence on our banter. As we swap stories, you'll get a peek at how the recent chitchat on relationships and active listening has seeped into our daily lives. And if you're a word-nerd, you're in for a treat – get ready to dissect the flavors of phrases like "zeitgeist" and "sibilance" and how they pop up in our conversations.
Get your feet tapping and heart pumping with our rhythmic journey into the mind-body connection. We share personal beats from rowing to drumming and even bust a move or two with dance. Discover how these activities are not just workouts but symphonies of mental and physical coordination, and hear how they're shaping our performance and self-expression. It's storytelling with a tempo, highlighting the intricate ballet of our inner and outer worlds.
Finally, brace yourself for the saga of the overhead squat and the triumph of tenacity. We celebrate the milestones of flexibility, unpack the hurdles of squat therapy, and salute the body's stunning adaptability. This part of our chat is an ode to the labor of love that is fitness, where every victory is a narrative of persistence. So, grab your gym shoes or just a comfy seat, and listen in as we share the untold stories of our fitness quests and linguistic gymnastics.
Ever found yourself puzzled by the simple "hello" and where it might lead? Well, Noah's back and we're unraveling the tapestry of return greetings, from cultural nods to the Zettelkasten method's influence on our banter. As we swap stories, you'll get a peek at how the recent chitchat on relationships and active listening has seeped into our daily lives. And if you're a word-nerd, you're in for a treat – get ready to dissect the flavors of phrases like "zeitgeist" and "sibilance" and how they pop up in our conversations.
Get your feet tapping and heart pumping with our rhythmic journey into the mind-body connection. We share personal beats from rowing to drumming and even bust a move or two with dance. Discover how these activities are not just workouts but symphonies of mental and physical coordination, and hear how they're shaping our performance and self-expression. It's storytelling with a tempo, highlighting the intricate ballet of our inner and outer worlds.
Finally, brace yourself for the saga of the overhead squat and the triumph of tenacity. We celebrate the milestones of flexibility, unpack the hurdles of squat therapy, and salute the body's stunning adaptability. This part of our chat is an ode to the labor of love that is fitness, where every victory is a narrative of persistence. So, grab your gym shoes or just a comfy seat, and listen in as we share the untold stories of our fitness quests and linguistic gymnastics.
Morning guys. Hey, welcome back, noah. You've been gone for a few weeks. Thanks, I don't.
Noah German:I've never known what to say when someone says welcome back.
Jake Sebok:Feels weird. You're supposed to start singing Welcome back. Is that a song?
Noah German:you do. You know that song.
Frank Sloan:Wow, that crash happened so fast.
Jake Sebok:The welcome back codder theme song.
Noah German:I don't. I don't think I've ever watched welcome back codder, ever in my life.
Jake Sebok:It's in the cultural consciousness, it's in the zeitgeist. That's a fun word for the week. I've heard of it, zettelkasten.
Frank Sloan:What.
Noah German:Oh yeah, I heard about Laniap when I was gone. Zettelkasten.
Jake Sebok:Yeah, I don't know that one.
Frank Sloan:That's a system of reference. It's like the Dewey Decimal System, but way more advanced in an old German paper system or something. Okay, what'd you guys talk about? While, I was gone, but now you can do it with a computer. Oh, that's pretty cool.
Jake Sebok:That's what people do. Well, that's nothing like zeitgeist, but I still like it. It's pretty cool.
Noah German:We talked about. I liked that my question got ignored for zeitgeist.
Jake Sebok:Everything that's right. In the last four weeks Four, we recorded two episodes per week.
Frank Sloan:Man, I didn't know what it was really, but I mean I nailed it for the contextual information I had. A Zettelkasten, German for slip box or card file, consists of small items and information stored on paper slips or cards that may be linked to each other through subject headings or other metadata such as numbers and tags. Cool Dewey Decimal System for information.
Jake Sebok:Sure, sounds like it. Yeah, okay.
Noah German:So what'd you talk about when I was gone?
Frank Sloan:We talked about relationships, perspectives outside the norm and also we talked about something else.
Noah German:I know I edited one that was active listening.
Frank Sloan:Active listening.
Jake Sebok:We talked about active listening as well was another thing we talked about, did you?
Frank Sloan:like that one when you edited it. I don't know how to answer that. Did you get any insights from it, any takeaways that could make your life better?
Noah German:I was editing so I was more focused on UMS and US and likes.
Jake Sebok:Could you summarize what you heard in three sentences?
Noah German:Landy app.
Jake Sebok:There was a whole, there was like nine.
Noah German:There was 19 minutes worth of landing app.
Jake Sebok:Landy, app. No, no, no Sibilance.
Frank Sloan:Sibilance. I don't even know what that means. I don't think we ever talked about it.
Noah German:Toppies, if you listen to the episode, you won't hear the 19 minutes of sibilance. What that's? Because I edited it.
Jake Sebok:Okay, so a sibilant is a type of consonantal sound in which it's like an S, oh it's the thing you said wrong. A hissing sound no.
Frank Sloan:Yes, you said it was the presence of a vowel, but it's not the presence of a vowel sound. No, wait, this is actually.
Jake Sebok:Greg Garius. No, this is actually a consonantal sound, which is the opposite of a vowel sound. When did we talk about the vowel thing Like three weeks ago and university yes exactly Because university starts with a U letter, but it actually starts with a yuh, which is a consonant. Yeah, that was the A and debacle.
Frank Sloan:That's not sibilance.
Jake Sebok:No, it's a sibilant, is a hissing sound.
Frank Sloan:Oh right, I remember this now.
Noah German:Welcome to the Linguistic Platypus podcast.
Jake Sebok:We actually call it Words With Jake. An unintentional detour you didn't intend to make. It's got a theme song. Would you like to hear it?
Noah German:Does it really?
Jake Sebok:Words With Jake oh man it does happen.
Noah German:It does happen every episode. We talk about words for some reason, and I think I know the reason.
Jake Sebok:What is it? We all like them. I like them too, Actually, Frank. For the last few weeks has been the one to introduce words. We've had lists of the best words, Listicles.
Noah German:Listicles yes.
Jake Sebok:Which is a word which is pretty great that we can do one of those segments. But yeah, you know what guys we're in the middle of the CrossFit Open right now, which is pretty exciting for me. We just had the second workout released. I did it the first time. I judged it, you judged it, and harshly. Yes, you did. You were all like your row was so inconsistent it wasn't.
Noah German:It actually it actually was it was so. Did you watch the video of you pulling? Your pulls were very inconsistent.
Jake Sebok:I don't care. Okay, the point was not to have.
Frank Sloan:What do you want me to coach you on during the open? Oh so he's talked to you already huh, absolutely nothing.
Jake Sebok:I will write down my benchmark times and I just want you to say that I'm on pace or off of pace by however many seconds when I finish around. When I finish, my double wonders just be like is the time on the page, the time on the clock?
Noah German:Oh yeah, he's on pace. This seems like something we could talk about before the workshop and set him on the podcast.
Frank Sloan:Um, all right, that seems hard. I was planning on doing nothing other than just recording your performance.
Jake Sebok:Okay.
Frank Sloan:Does that work, or you need the pacing thing.
Jake Sebok:It would be helpful, but I can do it in my head Out.
Noah German:Even though I'm working out next to you. I will take it on and I'll yell at your pastes.
Jake Sebok:I really appreciate that.
Frank Sloan:Thank you I mean Brandy will be there. She could probably handle the pacing thing.
Jake Sebok:That'd be great. Yeah, I'll have her reset my row or two, oh, but who's got to reset mine? Is Amy not coming out to see you perform?
Noah German:I think she's doing like a course thing like a live course of some sort during that time.
Jake Sebok:So I like how you like really made it so that she couldn't do it at any other time. You know a live course? No, it is Like at that time and no other time, so she has to be doing it.
Frank Sloan:Yeah, we don't know when we're doing it yet, but no matter what, she has a live course.
Noah German:We're doing it at noon All day today. It's been set. It was scheduled yesterday by you two.
Frank Sloan:I had no say in this. It's not on my calendar.
Jake Sebok:Why didn't you add it to your calendar?
Frank Sloan:I don't know why didn't you send it Other people stuff to my calendar. They do that.
Jake Sebok:It's your stuff Judging. That would be a great calendar item, though, like, okay, it looks like I've got church at 10 and judging at 11. I thought that was supposed to happen at church. Well, they're not here today.
Frank Sloan:Huh.
Noah German:Huh.
Jake Sebok:Anyway.
Noah German:Yeah, the open is fun.
Jake Sebok:The open is fun. Why is the open fun we?
Frank Sloan:have 13 more minutes to close this one If we would have put the timer up.
Noah German:Now, the open is fun for me. It's fun for me because you take it so seriously and I don't. Seriously, it doesn't have a negative connotation.
Jake Sebok:Sure, you like to perform well, I didn't care about it.
Frank Sloan:Yes, I had found it fascinating that Noah I don't even know exactly what he mentioned to me, but something like I suggested that you could judge. He suggested that I could judge and you were like he's going to try to coach me or something, which is just like you're in a place with other people. You think I'm gonna be there telling you what to do. That is not me.
Frank Sloan:No this is gonna be in the garage. Oh, it is. Yeah, oh, that increases the chances, but but still not a thing I would care to do. I mean, if you asked me to, I would do it, but no you wouldn't do it.
Jake Sebok:Whenever I asked you not to. It was just the thing I said Ah, he's gonna tell me to keep it row-pace. I don't want to be. Yeah, why not? My genuine thought was when I was doing Tuesday and you said there's no reason for you to be below a thousand, there's no reason for you to be below 1,100. I was like I don't know right about that. It wasn't about you. It's about the fact that you were pushing me harder.
Frank Sloan:Oh, I think you'd want to be pushed, but I don't think you'd want to be pushed in the way that isn't the one you planned.
Jake Sebok:Yeah, no, I mean the first time around, like if you were there on Friday say go Jake, go harder, pick it up, whatever it's great the people are here for the CrossFit content.
Noah German:That's right. Yeah but I'm curious when did you feel the workout during it? Where was the pain?
Jake Sebok:I heard someone one of the YouTubers say it this way it's. There was no specific movement that hurt. It was just that it was a constant build for the entire 20 minutes Slow build. At first you don't really notice it. You get around 10 minutes and you're like, okay, I'm feeling it, and then around 13 minutes. You're like whoa I took a significant step up. I'm really feeling it.
Jake Sebok:And it just builds and builds and builds from there. If anything hurt at all, it was just keeping the row consistent, which I did. I kept it very consistent.
Noah German:Yeah, we have different definitions of consistent.
Jake Sebok:Yeah, noah's definition is that every pull is the same speed, essentially like the same pace per 500 meters, and the definition is that when you look at the average pace across the entire trip, so your 300 meters, that you are at 205 or 206. So a couple of pulls might be at 203, a few might be at 207 or 209, but if the average is out to 205 or 206, I'm happy with it.
Frank Sloan:Huh, because that's when you get off the rower. Yeah well, it sounds like you're talking about average and you're talking about consistency.
Jake Sebok:Yes, exactly yeah. But my point is is that if you look at all eight of my rows, they were all, they all had the same average, like it all was within a couple seconds of each other of me getting off the row. So pretty happy with that.
Frank Sloan:Yeah, I think he has that mind-body connection ability to just like zone in and do the exact same thing one after another in a way that some people don't.
Jake Sebok:Is that right? I mean, you are a drummer. Is this the same thing? I can't keep a beat for you.
Noah German:I think that's rhythm more than mind-body connection.
Jake Sebok:I think they're related, that's interesting.
Noah German:It's interesting, yeah. Does that have something to do with rhythm? I don't know. It's Amy and I took salsa lessons in lessons, one lesson in Puerto Rico, and that's interesting to think about, because there it really is connected to your body, because you have to translate the music into your steps. Not that you're not doing that, I suppose, when you're a drummer or something else, but that drumming is also very it's a technical skill that you build up over years too, not that dancing is not, but I'm not a dancer and I haven't trained that Specifically. This one lesson I took for salsa.
Noah German:Maybe, there's something to mind-body connection but, I, don't know if me working through my thoughts on that on this podcast is going to be very entertaining, but with rowing.
Frank Sloan:You think it can be more or less entertaining than what we've done.
Noah German:Most things are more entertaining than what we've done ever.
Jake Sebok:Well, it's an interesting insight. I mean, I think that you don't have to talk the whole time, but keep processing that as we go, because it is very interesting to me that I think I am a big feeler when it comes to music. I feel the music, but that does not relate one-to-one with me feeling it in time with accuracy and precision. And again, maybe this isn't the perfect definition of mind-body connection, but I don't have it, you do.
Frank Sloan:Yeah, I feel it is true. I mean, I've taken dance lessons for a few months now and it's a Variety, it's like a course. Like ballroom or something yeah, swing, foxtrot or whatever. There's a progression. Okay, good, I don't have that. Whatever it takes Rhythm-wise, I can do it with help, but it's really relying on Brandy to sort of like sub-lead, at least with rhythm, like she does a tap sort of thing to let me know when it's a one.
Noah German:I'm thinking more about rhythm. I think, I don't know, it may be mind-body connection, but if this makes any sense, I think that it works the other direction. I think it works from rhythm to body. That's still connection. Sure, rhythm exists elsewhere, is what I'm saying. Yeah, but being able to activate my body on rhythm, whether it's drumming or dancing or pulling a row or whatever, there's inevitably connection there. That's helping, that I think. Sure.
Jake Sebok:My experience, as we've talked about the Enneagram a lot, the Seven is a head type. Our instinctual or wisdom center is in the head, which means that it's very intellectual, and by that I mean thought-based. For me myself is very much more almost this avatar in a fantasy world. Honestly, it is this thing in this space. So I actually have had moments and I'm realizing more and more that this is probably a trauma response that when I actually come back into my body I feel terrified, completely terrified.
Frank Sloan:I would be terrified by that too.
Jake Sebok:It makes sense that I wouldn't want to be here. It makes sense that I pushed myself out to my head, because there's something here that's scary. I guess my point in saying this, though, is that, because of that, if I think about dancing or something like that, my issue is not really the rhythm. I am a musician. Yes, I do have rhythm issues, but I can also play music pretty well. I could probably dance well. I could probably make my body move when it's supposed to and the way that it's supposed to. For me, the issue is this sort of mind thing. You know, it's like what are people thinking is a huge thing.
Frank Sloan:Yeah, well, that's. Do I look stupid? That is it for me too. If it's just, you know, if you put like the notes on a board and you're like point at them when it's the right time, I can do that probably.
Jake Sebok:Mm-hmm.
Frank Sloan:I think, if you want me to make sure my knees are relaxed, this step has the right width that my partner feels in sync. Yeah, and the music happens on the right beats all at the same time. It's like not all possible.
Noah German:Yeah, I mean I have the same insecurity. I mean I was. I had to tell myself during the Because the lesson we took was on the beach, public beach. It was busy. There were I don't know 15 people in the class itself. Also, it was on a public beach. There are people that we did it right in front of people that were just sitting there.
Frank Sloan:Yeah.
Noah German:And there were people walking by and there were a couple of Puerto Rican guys that were sitting by a tree and having some beer and they were watching us the whole time. And one guy was kind of dancing with us and for a while I was really insecure about that, because he was clearly watching us Mm-hmm, he wasn't making fun of us or anything. He was having a good time and I literally had to tell myself at one point he's dancing too, he's having a good time.
Frank Sloan:Yes.
Noah German:Nobody cares, just have a good time Right, and that kind of freed me, but that definitely does distract you from the rhythm and doing the steps that you need to make yeah. And I also going back to the whole mind-body connection thing. Even though I do have a better mind-body connection than you two probably, I still struggle with things. The thing that comes to mind specifically is hip driving like cleans or snails or whatever. That's interesting.
Noah German:I really struggle. Well, you know how I struggle to re-dip, to catch. Yes, I can't seem to get through whatever block, that is.
Jake Sebok:That's a very interesting call out, because I have always had like great kinesthetic awareness from like a gymnastics standpoint.
Frank Sloan:Mm-hmm.
Jake Sebok:I mean, one of the hardest things to do in CrossFit is a muscle up and it took me. I think I got it on my second or third attempt. I had a coach. He said hop up there, Try this. I tried it. I got like 80% of the way there and I looked like I was going to give up and he was like no, hop up there again, but this time put your hips up higher. And I did it and it was just there.
Jake Sebok:And that's like most of my experience when it comes to barbell movements, gymnastic movements, whatever. I can feel it and I think. But that is the difference, right, Because when I talk about rhythm specifically, there are like two ways to approach it. One is anticipatory. I can count the beat, right, I can count it out, I can anticipate when I need to strum that guitar. But that doesn't really feel like music, it feels like math. Yeah, I wouldn't call it mind-body connection either. I mean it kind of is, but it's not living. But then there's music, there's flowing with the beat. There's when you're not counting at all, you're just like this is when it hits and now I'm playing. And that's what I think of when I think of mind-body connection.
Frank Sloan:Yeah, yeah, that's not impossible. Like I, even when we dance, I get there sometimes but it doesn't feel easy, it doesn't feel like natural. I'm just like hit the dance floor and like I'm in the zone and it's the same. I mean with like I took like 30 minutes to get an overhead squat that I could live with for the workout yesterday.
Noah German:Maybe mind-body connection has something to do with disconnecting from the mind? Well, truly, yes, well, because think about how they talk about the different types in the enneagram.
Noah German:There's mind, heart, body or instinctual, or they call them. They call them all instinctual centers, but they like the gut instinct. One is the what, eight, nine and one, I think, yes, it is, and they always say the eight's the most connected to their body. And so the things that I when I'm specifically thinking about the enneagram and how that plays out, the things that show up in my body, are not things that I'm trying to make show up, they're instinctual things. That's what I'm getting at, yeah, yeah, and so I think there's the mind-body connection is more about the things that are happening in the background. We had this when we got together for dinner on Tuesday. I said that you know, I think my mind makes all these calculations, it thinks about all these options or whatever, but that's happening in the background and then I feel the right answer. That's sort of the experience. Yeah, it doesn't mean I don't have the information in my brain, it just means I'm not actively doing the, I'm not thinking about the process. It happens.
Noah German:And then I feel whatever the thing is, the things like that I've experienced before. You know the stress in my body. I feel a lot of tension, especially in the face or the head or whatever. I've had major life decisions where you know I felt like lumps in my tongue. They're like my body expresses things that are happening in my mind as opposed to me thinking about it and then it expressing. So yeah, maybe it's more about not trying to have that connection or not not having a I don't know what the word I'm looking for.
Noah German:Well, I think.
Jake Sebok:I think what you're pointing at makes me think of the word fluency. I'm speaking to you right now, I'm conveying intricate, complex ideas and I'm not thinking for a second about the words that are coming out of my mouth. They're out there and I'm like oh, that's what I chose to say. That's interesting. It's a fluency that almost has this bi-directional Percariousness to it yeah exactly.
Jake Sebok:You're like oh, okay, glad that worked out. Cool, you know it doesn't always work out, but when I am thinking of the mind-body connection, there does seem to be a directionality to it. I feel Things in my body sometimes, but I always feel like they start in my mind, like I am, you know, anxious about something, and then I start to feel that anxiety in my body. And then I Become aware of the feeling in my body which makes me look at my thoughts to see where it's coming from. And at some point that kind of becomes a loop and I'm like okay, it's a, it's a mirror of sorts that I've been thinking a certain way and then I should pay attention and do something about it. But usually anxiety anxiety is the biggest one that I feel in my body. I can also feel anger in my body, sadness to some extent Okay, now that I mentioned it, I've got a whole list joy I feel joy in my body. I Feel a lot. I just was always afraid to feel.
Frank Sloan:I'm glad you feel now yeah it's.
Jake Sebok:It's worth it. I can actually say that honestly now.
Frank Sloan:I don't know that I have anything that I could add to mind-body connection. That's a topic.
Frank Sloan:I just don't because you don't have it. I don't think that's quite right, but I Don't have a lot of it, that's for sure, and Don't even understand really what the value of it is. I mean, maybe, to be more Like I. The only thing I can think of for why it would be valuable to increase is like, sometimes, when you see yourself in the mirror and you're like, oh, them seem to be expressing some emotion that I wasn't aware of or, you know, I Just doesn't match the idea of myself I had in the mirror or whatever. Something like this.
Noah German:The interest in one. For me in regards to you is and I? This is a question, but it always feels this way to me and I don't know if it's true, but, like, especially in regards to working out or exercise or Sleep, tiredness is what I'm getting at you. You always sort of lean towards tiredness, but I have always thought More than a physical tiredness, I think that's mental tiredness that you're expressing.
Noah German:Okay and because I don't know that it's actually you know what I mean like I don't man it's you'll say like it's tired today or it's tired in here right now. You know, you, it's a very common thing for you to say and I think I've always thought that's mental tiredness Like not that you're like I can't go for a walk or I can't go work out or whatever. Am I wrong about this?
Frank Sloan:Um, can you give me an example of each from your perspective, so I can understand the difference?
Noah German:Well, I'm talking about your perspective.
Frank Sloan:My perspective does not have the components that you mentioned, though so yeah, well, that's what I'm trying to get yesterday I Was.
Jake Sebok:My body was pretty tired yesterday, yeah, and I was still doing a lot of stuff and at some point we got in the car and we went to like grab food and went through a couple of drive-fruits and stuff. I had been sitting for like 45 minutes as my point and it came time to get out of the car and I was perfectly with it cognitively. But when it came time to actually stand up, I was like I Don't want to stand up and that was what I experienced is like body tiredness. Okay, it had nothing to do with my mental state, I was perfectly there and everything. But I was like Standing up sounds like an effort right now.
Noah German:Yeah, and then that's a. It's a good way to go at it. Let's talk about our own experience for a second. For me, I get when I'm mentally tired it's like I've worked all day. Tuesdays, I've told you, by the time I Get up, do whatever I do in the morning, drive to st Louis, work all day, drive back and then have the meeting with you guys. Yeah, I'm exhausted, but that's 100% mental exhaustion.
Frank Sloan:So after we do the podcast meeting on Tuesday night, you would be fine to like go do Tuesday.
Noah German:Yeah, it's a different sort of thing. Oh, and in fact I Exercise Can really remedy the mental exhaustion. But if I'm physically tired, if my body is tired, I don't have energy, the the mornings that I'm like, oh man, everything feels heavy like, or I just don't have the engine to do this, metcon or whatever. That's physical exhaustion, and I may mentally be, I Mean, and I a lot of times I am mentally great, I'm like, I feel good this morning, like I'm awake, I'm, I'm with it. My body just doesn't have it. There's a there's a difference. There's two different things happening. Okay, but for you, to me, it's always just felt like mental exhaustion. I very rarely. You'll sometimes say you're sore from lifting or something like that. I think this is a different thing. But usually when you're talking about tiredness, exhaustion, to me it always feels like you're mentally Exhausted. Huh, but I don't know if this is accurate.
Frank Sloan:Hmm, I don't either, I don't.
Noah German:What I really am questioning, I think, is how often do you feel real physical exhaustion? It's not that you don't get physically exhausted, but I wonder if you perceive a difference.
Frank Sloan:Real physical exhaustion, not a component I'm aware of like that.
Jake Sebok:Yeah, as in, you're always feeling it or you never know what that means.
Frank Sloan:That's no difference.
Jake Sebok:That was something else super interesting that was something else that we brought up, though is that you know we're all in this room right now and, who knows, I mean, if I somehow was able to freak you Friday into your body, noah, and look through your eyes.
Noah German:It might look like the freaking matrix, and we don't know, or you may just call the things I'm feeling something different, and that's exactly what I'm talking about.
Jake Sebok:It's like looking at the color green and To you it appears orange, but we've both grown up calling it green, right, it's like we we refer to the same things but we have completely separate experiences of them. And I think that it's the same thing with these sort of Sensitivities. It's like you've got an antenna or a sensor For this mind-body connection, or the body itself. Really, that is simply more attuned to what's going on in the body. I probably have it to, frank has it to, but we've got the volume turned up on other stuff and the volume turned down on that one.
Jake Sebok:So it's just it's harder to figure it out even just from the beginning. Like, what do you mean when you're talking about this? I've got a couple of experiences that I can pull from as analogs, but, but it's it's hard to experience it in my everyday life. I told Frank this on on the drive home after our talk on Tuesday and I said for me, it's not that I don't have it, it's that I feel like it has to meet this extreme threshold Before I'm ever aware of it. I don't know how to just like stay in tune with it.
Frank Sloan:Yeah yeah, I don't for physical exhaustion. I don't have a. I Don't think I have. I mean I have. The closest thing I have is like Just like 10 out of 10 pain. If I'm like in insane pain then I'll stop, but I don't that. There doesn't seem to be something that's like you're too tired to keep going. I.
Noah German:I Was working out super mental for you. Do you have? Do you have either?
Frank Sloan:disconnect from it or I can be in it mentally, but usually it's Like setting new maxes or increasing yeah threshold, like output is usually just like there's no reason. You can't do this, do it. Hmm, then I do it. It's it doesn't feel, like some people describe this, like I know my capacity is here and so I can move it 1% or something. I don't feel like my capacity is somewhere, feel like most things are possible. I just don't have to do them, like I mean, I don't think I could go do anything right now. That's not what I mean, but just takes enough repetitions and you'd get there.
Jake Sebok:Mm-hmm.
Frank Sloan:Yeah but I don't know that my method is good, like sometimes I end up with like High amounts of pain, because I don't have that connection probably well it's.
Jake Sebok:If we look at extreme cases I mean, there are Neurological disorders where people can't feel pain right, and like a three-year-old girl, and we don't know she has this disorder like puts her hand on this hot stove and her hand is just burning but she has no idea, right. That's like an extreme example of an absence of a mind-body connection. So we do see that it's adaptive in many ways to be to some degree aware of your body, and I think that one of the biggest benefits I could see is is almost that mirror thing that you're talking about. Like, if my body is expressing something that is happening in my mind, then it is something I can tap into to Become more aware of my mental state or just conscious in general. Yeah, about my state, and if that's good, great, maybe I'll enjoy it, the state even more, being more aware of it. If it's Angry or something like that, great, I can confront that head-on because now I know about it. To me it just it seems like that mirror, like Okay, let's pay attention to this.
Frank Sloan:Yeah, I guess I mean I haven't ever thought about this before, but I suppose it's. At some point I reprogrammed out of it, like Because I got beat a lot and like my dad would like spank me with a two by four. I Imagine I was just like like this stuff that's hurting in my body isn't important, like I didn't do anything here. There's no reason this is happening, so it's not relevant to my life. And so now it's like Try to get that back. I don't know how do you get that back? Yeah, so that's probably why I only have Extreme pain indicator, like the volumes turned down on that knob.
Jake Sebok:Yeah.
Frank Sloan:Fight, you guess.
Jake Sebok:I Think I'm similar, I would say my. The default state of my body is pain and I've wondered this for quite a while. You know, I got injured on the job when I was 19 or 20 and that was some of the worst pain I've ever been in in my life and I had, you know, residual issues from that scar tissue and those that injury for Years afterwards and still due to some degree, I think I'm pretty healed from it at this point. But I mean, that's just years in pain and there was a lot of anxiety and fear associated with that physical experience of like holy crap, I just injured myself to the point where I can't move my right arm at 20 years old. What does the rest of my life look like? I think I already had a propensity toward tuning out my body, but that probably sent me over the edge more than I realize.
Frank Sloan:Yeah, yeah. I mean I think I felt like two summers ago while mowing and I like had that. I went in the garage and I laid on the ground. It was the most unbearable pain of it fell in my life and it probably took like 10 minutes before I could get up and then I got up and went and mowed the grass and did the rest of the stuff I had to do that day. But that's the like, I suppose. In that moment I felt like I'm physically exhausted. I don't know if I can do the rest of this day, and then I just like did it anyways.
Jake Sebok:Yeah.
Frank Sloan:That's probably the closest I felt to physically exhausted.
Jake Sebok:Yeah.
Frank Sloan:I mean I had just moved all of I don't know if you remember that day, but we switched the upstairs and downstairs so we did I was like moving crap, you were helping, then I had to mow, then I had to drive to Effingham.
Jake Sebok:Okay, I knew you were in a hurry.
Frank Sloan:The day was insane. It had four days worth of crap in it and I had that fall and it was like on rocks. It was horrible, all my weight on basically the bottom of my spine on one leg. So yeah. Yeah, that day I felt a little exhausted, I think.
Jake Sebok:I totally get that. We mentioned emotions earlier, and I really have been doing a very intentional initiative to like regain contact with my emotions. It's been a process of just sort of allowing myself to be all the things that I thought were unacceptable, and the initial phase of coming into familiarity with them was painful. It was terror. It was like I am confronting this feeling like they're going to be too much, like they're never going to end, like there's no actual value in doing this work. Everybody says there is, but like I don't feel it yet it's not here, yet I don't see the benefit.
Jake Sebok:The result, though and I've been experiencing this more and more is like this very holistic experience the fear is gone. At this point, I'm not afraid of feeling sad. I'm not afraid to sit with other people who are feeling sad. I'm not afraid to just listen to those emotions anymore, which is so weird, because it used to be that my discomfort tried to invalidate their emotions, so we could just get through it, get over it and smile again. So I see so much value, and I guess what I'm doing is I'm creating this analogy here because I still don't have a great connection with my body, and I just laid out this whole idea that I'm probably terrified of it, which really sounds exactly like me being afraid of my emotions.
Jake Sebok:But I have done a lot of somatic experiencing and it is interesting to me that things like anxiety and anger are the feelings that I feel the most, which is probably why I feel that fear. But I'm starting to wonder if it's going to be similar to emotions and then I could have a more holistic experience where I feel more joy as well, where I'm not afraid to be with people who are in physical discomfort as well. So it seems worthwhile. I don't know, something's just kind of triggering for me right now that I'm like okay, I could intentionally jump into that a little bit more too.
Frank Sloan:Yeah.
Jake Sebok:Who knows what's going to be on the other side?
Frank Sloan:Yeah, I mean I've been doing it. That's part of why I'm dancing.
Jake Sebok:And part.
Frank Sloan:I mean it's also why I slowed down and spent time on the overhead squat yesterday Just trying to get more connected to my body or something. It doesn't feel easy, though it doesn't feel natural to me at all. So, we'll see where it goes.
Jake Sebok:But yeah, I was excited to hear that you were working on the overhead squat. It's one of my favorite movements to do squat therapy with people and as I was typing my text out, like, hey, we could work on that if you want, You're like. But then I got it, you know, after 30 minutes or so it's great.
Frank Sloan:Yeah, I can't let. It's that same. The right posterior chain like down to the foot, so tight.
Jake Sebok:Yeah.
Frank Sloan:So when I was at the bottom of the overhead squat my heel would come off the ground like no matter what, until I finally just got the flexibility up, I guess.
Jake Sebok:Yeah, sometimes it just takes the reps to stretch that tissue out. Yeah, that's awesome.
Frank Sloan:That's my body connection.
Jake Sebok:No, as the resident expert on my body connection, do you want to send us off?
Noah German:Later Tupys.
Jake Sebok:Thanks, thank you guys.