Jake's morning began with an unexpected jolt that wasn't his coffee—a rogue coffee filter nearly turned his tech setup into a disaster zone! The incident sparked an animated chat with Frank and Noah about how we often hoist our triumphs high while failures slink away, unnoticed. From there, we saunter into exploring the risky business of baring all. Much like those Twitter accounts that serve unfiltered truths, we discuss the pull of authenticity in podcasting. The tightrope walk between openness and the boundaries of our professional lives leads us to ponder—what's the cost of transparency, and can it coexist with responsibility?
As creatives, we're no strangers to the thrill of a lightbulb moment. This episode sees us comparing the benefits of tracking our lightbulb moments like a live log—moment to moment. We weave through the parallels of seemingly unrelated systems such as road construction patterns to EMS response data, and how they converge to ignite creative problem-solving. And while discussing the sharing of our creative journeys, we zero in on the personal stakes—like the threat of censorship looming over every word, and the camaraderie found in shared passions like CrossFit. The conversation veers into the realm of contentious issues, reminding us that our best efforts are often invested where we can truly make waves.
As we wrap up, Jake delves into his own songwriting escapades, drawing parallels between crafting lyrics and the whimsy of surreal cinema. We muse over the creative spirit that fuels not just artists but problem-solvers and communicators across all walks of life. Simultaneously, we confront the specter of perfectionism, advocating for the liberating embrace of an iterative process and the joys of sharing our works, warts and all. With Frank and Noah chiming in, we share our personal strategies for kicking off creative projects, inspired by the likes of Jacob Collier and FINNEAS, and the realization that sometimes, the most profound sparks are hidden in the everyday.
Jake's morning began with an unexpected jolt that wasn't his coffee—a rogue coffee filter nearly turned his tech setup into a disaster zone! The incident sparked an animated chat with Frank and Noah about how we often hoist our triumphs high while failures slink away, unnoticed. From there, we saunter into exploring the risky business of baring all. Much like those Twitter accounts that serve unfiltered truths, we discuss the pull of authenticity in podcasting. The tightrope walk between openness and the boundaries of our professional lives leads us to ponder—what's the cost of transparency, and can it coexist with responsibility?
As creatives, we're no strangers to the thrill of a lightbulb moment. This episode sees us comparing the benefits of tracking our lightbulb moments like a live log—moment to moment. We weave through the parallels of seemingly unrelated systems such as road construction patterns to EMS response data, and how they converge to ignite creative problem-solving. And while discussing the sharing of our creative journeys, we zero in on the personal stakes—like the threat of censorship looming over every word, and the camaraderie found in shared passions like CrossFit. The conversation veers into the realm of contentious issues, reminding us that our best efforts are often invested where we can truly make waves.
As we wrap up, Jake delves into his own songwriting escapades, drawing parallels between crafting lyrics and the whimsy of surreal cinema. We muse over the creative spirit that fuels not just artists but problem-solvers and communicators across all walks of life. Simultaneously, we confront the specter of perfectionism, advocating for the liberating embrace of an iterative process and the joys of sharing our works, warts and all. With Frank and Noah chiming in, we share our personal strategies for kicking off creative projects, inspired by the likes of Jacob Collier and FINNEAS, and the realization that sometimes, the most profound sparks are hidden in the everyday.
Hey guys, good morning.
Frank:Oh lord, he does the only thing he does.
Jake:Was it a good morning for you? Because I mean, it was a great morning for me, but I did have a slight deviation from my expectation. What was your deviation? I had a coffee filter failure.
Noah:That doesn't seem like that big a deal, but I want to hear about that.
Frank:Depends on where your coffee filter is when it fails.
Jake:Well, you see, I make coffee in my office on one of the flat surfaces there, one of the flat surfaces that is right within arm's reach, which is my computer desk. Uh-huh and Elizabeth stayed over last night, so I was making coffee for two, which meant extra grounds, and I've never had a coffee filter failure before. But it turns out that sometimes the seam that runs along the V60 filter decides not to seam anymore. It's right at its fullest capacity.
Frank:It seems to no longer be a seam.
Jake:It seems that way, and then what also seems to occur is that the coffee goes places that it wasn't before, everywhere that it wasn't before.
Frank:Did you watch this happen, or you found it?
Jake:Oh, I was pouring water into it and then I was like huh, was there?
Noah:surface tension loss was there a computer nearby?
Jake:yeah, I mean not that near my. My computer sits up on like a shelf okay keyboard and stuff was nearby it, I make it sound worse than it was. It did not touch the mouse. It did not touch the keyboard. It did not touch the mouse. It did not touch the keyboard. It did not touch the two books that were on my desk. It basically went as close as possible without touching anything, and the only thing it really got on was the coffee scale and the flat surface.
Frank:Did you take pride in your past? Self-preparedness for where you put the coffee?
Jake:Take pride. I wouldn't say I took any pride.
Frank:Why, if you would have put it closer to the mouse, it might have got on the mouse. Oh, they're like good job, jake, you really put this in the right spot.
Jake:We've talked about this man, I can't take credit for anything I do all right well, I'd start putting it on top of the keyboard when you make that doesn't make sense, frank. I did have that moment, though, where I was like, oh yeah, the universe is having a jab at me. This is, this is fun did you?
Frank:you thought it was about you.
Noah:Somehow does take credit about also mean not take blame uh I want to talk about that for a minute yeah, they're the same sit.
Jake:It's self-referential right I mean, yeah, absolutely, it does. One one implies the other. But no, what I was referring to is that conversation we had a few weeks back, where it's like a reframing situation, where it's like, you know, the instinct, I think, is to feel like, oh, it's going to be a bad day, this is everything's against me, or whatever. But it's just like all right, this is fun, let's see where this goes yeah but?
Jake:but yeah, I do think I can't take credit for the things that I've done right and I can't really take blame for the things that I've done wrong. I am morally flawless, that's legit. I can't really take blame for the things that I've done wrong.
Frank:I am morally flawless. That's legit.
Jake:That's legit, can we turn it into one of those sound bites and you can just hit the button. That's legit. I am morally flawless.
Noah:That's legit. We're going to have to save that one.
Frank:And then we start DJing with it. We should call our podcast Morally Flawless. Tell us, tuppies, what do you think about this?
Jake:that's jake's individual podcast yeah, you know, it's sort of like how the beatles had, you know, solo careers. Yeah we're gonna do that I've thought about.
Frank:I think it would, um, it would end my career for sure, uh-huh, but I think it would be worth it overall to start telling people you're morally flawless, no, to do. A totally different idea that I haven't shared yet, which is what it's like, to be frank, just the whole truth, yeah, what I think every day, just like I don't know, maybe five minutes in the morning, five minutes at night, a podcast, what it's like this was a.
Noah:This was a twitter account years ago.
Jake:Shit, my dad says yeah, right I mean if you can, if you can put a funny spin on it. I think that's essentially what comedians do, right? It's like I'm willing to put voice to the things that everybody thinks but doesn't say out loud yeah, right, yeah, it seems freer than what I do.
Frank:What I do also seems important. So I like I have this sort of imbalance about it. Um, but I don't think I could do both this it.
Jake:You know, what it does remind me of is the twitter account where starbucks baristas were being honest about their experience. I haven't seen that. This was around the shit. My dad says era and we all talked about it at that time. It wasn't quite as big because it wasn't quite as funny, but it was like a Starbucks barista who was. I think they ended up getting fired or something. Is this the Katie Carter Twitter account? I mean, I am describing that as well, but no, it was like you know, my customers all suck and they can't order their drink right, and you know this type of thing. This is what drives me crazy about working at Starbucks.
Frank:Yeah, I don't. It's not even all bad. It's not all criticism or like Sure Cynicism. It's not all criticism or like Sure Cynicism. It's just not filtered Right.
Jake:Yeah, yeah. Tell me about that. Like what. Where did the idea come from and why is it sticking around as opposed to just floating away?
Frank:Oh, I don't know. I thought of it the other day when I was floating literally. Oh, because I was actually thinking about creativity, mm-hmm, and sort of I don't know. I did an experiment, like in the last week, where I tried to do like a live log of my day, just like a bullet journal, almost in Rome, but just like what I'm doing, what I did, just like sort of checking things off, much more engaged in the moment to moment sort of logging of my day, and I was thinking about creativity and like sort of how I'd solve problems, which is just by understanding large models of tons of things in the world.
Frank:Like it is not infrequent for me to like take something from how roads are paved and apply it to EMS data or something Like I just sort of watch how all these systems work and I'm like, oh, that's a really good way to do this, solve that problem, or something, yeah. And I'm like, oh, that's a really good way to do this, solve that problem, or something, yeah. And I was like I wonder if someone would be interested in if I just shared like how these ideas all come together. And I bet they would. That's about it, that's how it came to be All right. And then I was like, could I do it though, you know, and the immediate thought was like the obstacle would be people aren't supposed to say this type of stuff in polite society.
Frank:Yeah, I guess I mean the obstacle would be to be a yeah, I mean in large, like yeah, the obstacle would just be, like what you said, probably, probably social standards or something. Sure, not that I say anything that crazy, but I think some crazy things. Well, it's not even that crazy really, but it's just not always on the surface, it wouldn't always sound good or something.
Jake:Sure.
Frank:Yeah.
Jake:I mean, I think that's the risk that any public persona runs, right, I mean it's the risk of being canceled essentially. Which in a lot of cases, I mean, yeah, there are some people who say things that are just reprehensible. I mean, yeah, there are some people who say things that are just reprehensible, but there are also a lot of situations where they're saying things and their words fail them and they're misunderstood and oh, it's too late now, because the whole world thinks he said something else.
Frank:Yeah. Do you fear being canceled?
Jake:No, Like in this situation.
Frank:Oh, just in any Sure. Yeah yeah, oh, just in any sure. Yeah, yeah, I think I do somewhere subconsciously, but like consciously, I'm like I don't what. What would be taken from me if I were canceled?
Noah:you know if you're being canceled never thought about it in my life.
Jake:That's the end of my thought on that sure I mean like, but if you so for me what I mean when I say yeah, I'm afraid, joke around there in the same way with the same types of jokes that I joke with you guys. I would have this like there's just a meter, the meter says, oh, that's a little bit too far, don't go there.
Jake:It could have repercussions that you don't want to deal with. Right, and it could have repercussions that you don't want to deal with right and it could have repercussions that are better than you could imagine.
Frank:That's the that's like the rub for me. That's where it gets weird. That's like if you break through a layer of intimacy and honesty about what was in your head with that group of people, then maybe this improves your connection and your team's ability to collaborate. But maybe they're, like you just said, something that triggered my trauma or whatever, absolutely.
Jake:It's weird, cause I mean, I think that we're thinking of stuff that's rather, rather extreme. At the moment I don't even have like a specific thing in my mind, but I'm thinking of extreme things or, yeah, like sort of questionable material. But I have a hard time even just bringing up like personal experiences, sometimes Like nobody wants to hear that it's not what we're talking about right now. But I've challenged myself recently to be a little bit more open. I've had a lot of experiences with, like even our clients recently and I was at a lunch with some of our clients and we were just talking about life and someone brought up something about exercise and I was like, yeah, I'm one of those you know CrossFit cult people and I had that was back in December. I had that client text me yesterday on a weekend that said, hey, what's your ranking in the CrossFit open right now? And like, just wanted to know, just wanted to have that connection.
Frank:And.
Jake:I told him and he was like okay, so you're going to quarterfinals. This guy doesn't know anything about CrossFit. He probably overheard something or read something and it was like, oh, that's probably what Jake's doing right now oh yeah, you make that connection right and he doesn't know what quarterfinals is, but yeah, he might have read that more people get to go this year.
Frank:Exactly. It's like are you in?
Jake:yeah, yeah but if I hadn't taken that leap and just been like what I have to say is valuable people actually care that I care about something and want to see me as a person that connection couldn't have have happened.
Frank:Right, yeah, yeah. Well, there's the. There's an idea that I sometimes encounter at work which is like people want to talk about foreign wars. Okay, whatever that, whichever foreign war maybe feels important at the time, it's not divisive at all Potentially.
Frank:Yeah Well, I intentionally framed it in the way I did for this conversation. Sure, because there seem to be sides in the foreign wars and for me it feels like such a distraction from like so many local problems. And it's not that I don't care about foreign wars, which is what it's likely to be heard as, sure, but picking a side in a foreign war while there's like massive amounts of fentanyl, overdose, insane suicide rates in our country, like there are just so many problems in our country that we could do something about it, just feels like such a waste of energy and I would like to say that. But just saying something like that is like well, you don't care about. I don't even know which side I'm supposed to care about, honestly.
Jake:It's a reflection on who you are as a person Like why wouldn't you care? Are you just like selfish?
Frank:right, yeah, this is virtue signaling at its finest, and why wouldn't you want to participate in it? Aha, like there you go, like, yeah, well, it is virtue signaling. And if you just want me to pick a side, so that we feel like we love someone or something, even if we don't do anything about it, I don't know, I don't know.
Jake:I think it's maybe virtue signaling until it's not. If it's, if it's going to stay on the surface, just like where do you stand? Sure, maybe it's virtue signaling, but if that person is actually like you know, I'm worried that we're going to send our troops. And I've actually most of my family is in the military and I don't know if I agree with this.
Jake:And you know, like all this type of stuff, all of a sudden it becomes very personal yeah but I think what you're saying is like hey, if we actually stay in our lane and don't get distracted by all these things and divide ourselves, that potentially we could be focusing on the fentanyl thing while they're focusing on the cultural conflict and we could maybe find a solution yeah, you're right.
Frank:Yeah, and I mean, it does get personal. That's probably true. Like I, I don't know anyone in any foreign wars. If I did, I would probably feel more interested in it, sure, but yeah, these kind of things are like hard to. You can't live stream your consciousness about foreign wars and, um, do whatever else you have to do, yeah, without risk of being canceled or whatever.
Jake:That is the advantage of the persona. The persona is the mask that I get to put on, and I get to show what I want and not show what I don't want. And it's not quite who I am, but it's who I project myself as at any given moment in time yeah I mean I think it does stifle creativity, though, when you have to filter, which is so how do you?
Jake:I mean I when I think about that, though, so I'm creating something. Maybe it's a podcast, and maybe it's a song, and maybe it's painting, whatever right, I heard jacob collier. Do you know jacob collier? I don't know, it does I don't think so.
Jake:Okay, so I astronomically out of this world, phenomenally talented musician Like when I say that, I mean he breathes music, like he can just think it in the same way that and then put it out there in the same way that I'm speaking the sentence right now. It is like a language to him and he talks about creativity. I heard him say something the other day that was like my favorite way to create something new is to give myself the license to make the worst song I've ever made in my life. Like I just start out trying to make a bad song. What it does is it limits my intention to make anything good, and then I just find something. There's a little morsel in there and you find something that you're kind of surprised by.
Jake:And it was in that sort of secret space where I wasn't trying to create something for someone else. I wasn't even trying to create something for me, but it's that place of play and experimentation where these things come alive. So I guess that's where my mind is and I think, okay, well, what happens if Frank, in a non-public way, starts creating a five minute recording in the morning and a five minute recording at night, and it's just like is this as bad as I think it is, or could this actually play?
Frank:Sure, yeah, I. I think it would be great. I don't think it would be bad, but I think there are a couple components which are that to do it well needs some more time and mental freedom than I have, so it's a different life path. That's what I really mean. Okay. I don't think it's compatible with career life path.
Jake:Mm, hmm, do you feel confident in your ability to create something that other people want to listen to at this point?
Frank:Oh sure, yeah, I mean, if I, I I don't, when I'm over way over capacity, I, there's a real feeling of like a blank prompt and you need to put something out right now. That sucks, that's terrible. But if I have some mental freedom then I have no problem creating things that people would enjoy and benefit from okay, gotcha do you know what I mean.
Frank:Like if I have 16 hours of work and then, yeah, barely get five hours of sleep, and then I wake up and I'm like, okay, it's time to build again, like just produce, that's real tiring yeah, it's.
Jake:It's pouring out of an empty cup in every single way. I get that. Noah. You said that you didn't used to think about yourself as a creative person, but you started.
Noah:What did you say? Rethinking what creativity means.
Noah:Yeah, I mean I guess I just used to think of creativity as something connected to the arts, creating something out of nothing, whatever, and now it's more like creative problem solving or, you know, solutioning, or even communication, like I think about at work, like how I can find creative ways to teach people on my team how to do something, or you know what I mean. There's just so many more ways to be creative than just going how can I create something artistic, or you know what I mean, or you know what I mean that has no sort of tangible existence or whatever.
Jake:That's all I meant. So has that opened you up to find, like creative outlets for yourself I don't know or find yourself being creative in ways that you didn't think of as creating before?
Noah:I mean specifically within those avenues maybe, yeah, like at work and stuff. But in my personal life I can't think of anything super specific. Sure.
Jake:There are times whenever I've been explicitly creative and I think that those are generally with music. I like to create songs but again, I've said this before it feels less like creating and more like uncovering in those moments it feels less like creating and more like uncovering in those moments and it's just sort of if I give myself the space to like three, five hours to sort of uncover, just to play, to fail to find a certain vibe or melody or sound. I play a lot through experimentation, which is a lot of trial and error and deciding to go a different direction. But I I was thinking about this a little bit. Yesterday I watched a movie, a new movie called poor things, which I think it won like some oscars or something like that okay weird movie so weird.
Jake:That's sort of like got a Frankenstein vibe and the premise is basically that a woman jumped off a bridge and killed herself but she was pregnant and this mad scientist found her, saved the baby from her, took the baby's brain out, took the mom's brain out, put the baby's brain in the mom and then reanimated her. So it was, you know, that type of weird. Anyway, the cinematic style was like sort of surreal, kind of felt like I was in a dali painting and I was looking at these set designs and just thinking about the people that made them and like what that looked like. And there was this one point where there was a wall and the wall was covered in clocks probably 150 clocks and somebody like imagined that and then another person said, oh yeah, we're gonna do it. I thought about the hours of work that it would take to like get all these clocks, to put them up there and to be like, yeah, this is gonna be worth it.
Jake:And there is no weird part of me that could connect with that, but I have connected with it in other ways, you know yeah and I think of people that we think of as creators like, uh, you know, our, our friend wick.
Jake:like, that guy just loves to create something new and because he's always willing to have a product at the end, he's always taking everything that he gets as input and thinking about ways to express that as output. And there are people like that. There are people like that that are like me, but I just don't think in terms of products, I think in terms of like, I don't know conversations, just creative. Think in terms of products, I think in terms of like, I don't know conversations, just creative, but in a different way.
Frank:I definitely have you said, Jacob Collier.
Jake:Jacob Collier, yeah.
Frank:Yeah, so I've definitely no-transcript and sort of perfectionism and procrastination and like where a lot of people get blocked and where I get blocked, which is just this idea that it's not perfect, so I can't do it, or something like it's not ready to share, or something like this. And I think the people who produce products just get rid of this somehow. They don't have it. They're just like, yeah, it's as good as it's going to be and there just can be a version two. And I I will say, like being on agile teams where you just put it out like it's not perfect yet, but it's better than it was two weeks ago, deliver and then deliver again in two weeks, and like this sort of idea, just it's.
Frank:It's also something I share with, like social media clients a lot. They're like well, what if it's not? Like we didn't? Should we? Should we do this campaign? Like, just do whatever feels good to you, it's gonna be gone in a day, like it's gonna surface on feeds and it'll be gone in a day and then you can try again. Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know. I'm sure Wick doesn't spend a whole bunch of time about perfectionism. You know Right, he's just like it's good, it's good enough.
Jake:Absolutely, and there are so many ways to overcome that. I mean even just thinking about the fact that every artist who has ever put anything out, let's say it's a song, and I've listened to that song and I've been like, wow, great song. They look at that song and they think I put 72 hours into just recording and mastering that thing. And I can tell you the five things that I'm still not happy with.
Jake:But I put it out and I can go why, like, why wouldn't he be happy with this? And if I can put myself in that mindset every time that I put something out and just realize no one else has any idea of the things that I'm insecure about. They just see it as the product because they don't have the, the reference point, which is my expectation. That isn't being met.
Frank:Yeah.
Jake:Like they're going to love it. It's going to be great.
Frank:Yeah, we were at um bark, which is a dog park bar, okay, yesterday say that three times fast bark dog park bark, bark, dark bark.
Frank:Thank you for this foray. Um, we were there. My nephew is sitting at a picnic table with me and he says something like he, he like pulls his shorts back and he has like some sort of under short on or something like a like underarm or whatever he's like. Do you think people think this is my underwear? And I'm like I think no one on earth has considered what that is? Yeah, and just as an example of that, how many people's shorts have you evaluated here and these hundreds of people around you? And do you like, do you think, does that guy look like he's wearing underwear? Yeah, he's like. I don't know, I haven't looked at anyone. I'm like, yeah, they haven't looked at you either. Yeah, absolutely, that's how. Yeah, I mean, that's how putting out products is too. Like if they're your competitor, they might look at you, probably just to steal ideas probably not to critique whether you're wearing underwear or not.
Jake:Yeah, I've heard some sort of statement. That's like you know, at 10 years old you think that the whole world is thinking about everything that you're doing. At 30, your world shrinks and you're mostly just worried about what you're thinking. And then you know at 60 you realize like nobody was ever thinking about you to begin with. Like you know, these are the different perspectives. It happens before 60.
Jake:It happens before 60. Yeah, but I took this assessment for work like a month ago. It was called the Colby assessment. It was one of the hardest tests to take because it was one of those where I never felt like the answer I was giving was correct. Yeah, you know it's like hey, how would you do this? And here's four options and you have to rank one the highest and one the least. And I'm like I have no like faith that I'm actually answering this in a truthful way, but I'm pretty sure On those tests, cause they don't give you enough information.
Frank:They're not like your boss is angry and you need to do that, like that sort of change is what I would do, right right, like help me live this out for a second.
Jake:Anyway, I took the test, hated taking the test, actually found the results to be accurate and insightful and one of the biggest things that I learned was sort of like how do you start a project? The whole test is sort of assessing, like what's your energy flow and how are you most productive if left to your own devices? Like not doing something the way someone else would do it, but doing it according to your own intuition. Like not doing something the way someone else would do it, but doing it according to your own intuition. And the way that I do it is I spend like the first 40% of the project researching, looking at what other people have done, kind of finding out like what frameworks people use to think about stuff, and then that looks like I'm making no progress at all, which I've always been self-conscious about. And then right after that, I go very speedily to the end and just make the thing.
Jake:Simon, the guy I work with, he is a quick starter. He does like zero research to begin with, just starts playing, put something together, and it's very iterative, it's that agile thing. It's like this is absolutely not what we want. But here, make it better, and I'm very good at taking something that exists and making it better, so it's a very complimentary relationship.
Frank:Yeah.
Jake:But I think about this in terms of creativity, which is like, frank, how you know you've got this podcast idea. How do you start start that? Do you just start making it, or are you more of like research it first and then put it together?
Frank:uh, I would probably just do it in a day like, but in what order? What's the podcast idea? The like five minute thing yeah, oh um, I mean, I would probably think about the name a little okay which is stupid, but it is something I would do I would be like what should the name be? Once I reach some sort of conclusion, or something close enough to conclusion, I just buy a domain name, start recording like okay, so that's.
Jake:That's relatively quick start yeah, yeah.
Frank:I mean I don't think I could do much research or planning to like make it better.
Jake:I think that doing it would be the thing that made it better so is that because you've already done this podcast, though, like when you were thinking I want to start a podcast for the very first time? Uh-huh, what was your process?
Frank:just about what I said, I think Okay, all right, yeah, if I want it to actually happen, then I just do it.
Jake:Gotcha.
Frank:Like if I do some planning thing I will get lost for the rest of my life in planning. Yeah. And I've already done a lot of it, like I've already done a lot of research and I'm constantly doing it Every day I get lost in something. I'm constantly doing it every day. I get lost in something. I'm like this is so cool, I should learn about it.
Jake:Yeah. So what about? You know? I remember like a couple of years back you were renovating your bathroom and I came out and helped you do that, but you seem to have everything picked out ahead of time. Was that like something that like, how do you go about creating? Is it a lot of planning or is it just jump in?
Noah:renovating the house was not a creative project for me. Okay, it was a, it was just needed. I just needed to update some things so I could sell the house.
Jake:Okay, so what's a better example of a time that you've created something?
Noah:I don't know, but I was thinking, while you guys were talking about what I'd like to be better at in creativity, and I think the thing that I would like to be better at is looking at the potential in things that don't seem like they have potential. So I was thinking about something like well, jacob Collier got me thinking, but then I was thinking about how Phineas produces music. Phineas produces music and there was I don't remember which song of Billie Eilish's that this is on now, but they were in Australia at a crosswalk, and the crosswalks there make this weird. I don't even remember what the sound was it's like a whoosh sound and he stopped and went this is a cool sound. He recorded it and then he layered that into the song and that is. That's a big base of the song. So to be able to see something mundane and go, there's something in that.
Jake:Yeah.
Noah:Something that I want to be better at, because I think that's where real creativity happens, is how can I make this thing that doesn't seem like it's got any potential into something as a piece of something greater. Yeah, that's where my thoughts have been while you guys have been talking.
Frank:Yeah, yeah, I mean that's how I feel as a five. I mean I don't always apply it to the details like that, but I have. I specifically made like a logout timer. Like triptix was an app that people used all day. It was like their primary part of their job was just to be in there, and so when it logs you out, it's very annoying. You have to log back in, get back to where you were. But I I do remember being like we need to sound like the ICQ sound. Uh-oh, it's got to be like that, just so you're like oh, it's going to be very stupid if I don't get this, if I don't just hit continue my session or whatever. And so we added a sound like that. But it's usually not a sound, it's usually just like how do they do this in that world? Oh, we should do something like this, or what are the downfalls of that? And stuff like idea smashing I think that's also.
Noah:I think in bits. Now, I've never done comedy, I love comedy and I think I'd like to think I like. I think like a comedian, which is not necessarily to say that I'm funny, it's not even what I mean. I just I think I think in bits and so when I listen to comedians talk, I relate really heavily because they'll, they're just throwing bits around and that's how I think Earlier we were talking about the, the guy who exaggerates all everything, but just by a little bit like that sort of thing.
Noah:It's funny to me and that, I think, is the one place that I do this. I don't do anything with it. I don't turn it into anything. Maybe I will someday.
Frank:You should.
Noah:Yeah, maybe I, but I still don't know what my my output would look like, Cause I don't know that I don't really have a massive desire to do standup comedy or something like that yeah or sketches, necessarily, but I do like to think like that yeah and so, um, I actually started for the first time a list earlier and put that idea on it.
Noah:I'm going to start trying to track those ideas. Yeah, I don't know that it'll turn into anything, but that, to me, taking this idea of the guy who exaggerates everything, but by the smallest amount, yeah, is similar to phineas recording the the sound when he's crossing a street in australia. Yeah, um, now can I take that and do something with it? You know what I mean I love that.
Jake:I I I come back to this idea of like nothing has meaning alone.
Jake:There are these, there's resonant moments where you experience something and you go oh that that connects to something.
Jake:I want to put that somewhere else in my life and what I need to do to make it cohesive is I need to give other people the context to appreciate it.
Jake:Here's this sound that Phineas hears, and it means something to him, but if he gives it to someone else in isolation, it means nothing. He has to create the context that allowed him to appreciate it and then to share that moment with everyone else and I think that's a beautiful thing that we get to appreciate it and then to share that moment with everyone else and I think that's a beautiful thing that we get to do. And it's sort of part of that creative process is like we're always taking in information, some of those things we appreciate more than others. But if I want to give voice to it, I have to give the person who's going to view it or to appreciate it the tools to see what I saw. I think that's what the comedian does, I think it's what the podcaster does, I think it's what the visual artist does, and the songwriter, and I think we all have that in us, if we can think that way.
Frank:Yeah, just do what we think is cool.
Jake:I think that's probably all it is.
Noah:I stopped short of that. I still can't get fully behind that idea. I'm like 90% of the way there.
Frank:It's all right. It takes some people time to realize wisdom. That's alright it takes some people time to realize wisdom, that's cool.
Jake:Don't be afraid to fail. What are you supposed to?
Frank:say Morally flawless.
Noah:Narcissism is very easy to see, though.
Frank:I am morally flawless, jake is morally flawless.
Jake:And so are you. That's what I really want everyone to know.
Frank:What if they can't Feel like? That's true. I don't care what you feel, it's the truth. What about next time On the Unbecoming Platypus Podcast, later tuppies, later, ouch, ouch, ocho Out.